# Your Network is Your Net Worth : Joe Fox on the E-Com Grind and the Power of Relationships

In this episode of The Orbit, host Nihar Kulkarni sits down with Joe Fox, President of Growave, to unpack his “accidental” path into e-commerce, the grind behind agency life, and how relationships ultimately shape success in this industry. Joe breaks down today’s biggest trends—from AI and tech stack consolidation to unified commerce—and why LTV, trust, and community matter more than ever.

Welcome to "The Orbit," where we host real conversations with the people shaping the e-commerce world. This week, host Nihar Kulkarni sits down with Joe Fox, President of Growave, a leading e-commerce marketing platform. Joe shares his "accidental" journey into the industry, the lessons learned from founding his own agency, and the key trends he’s tracking—from tech stack consolidation to the true meaning of "retention marketing." An "Accidental" Career in E-Commerce Joe, like many in the industry, considers his career path an "accidental" one. He got his start brand-side at a large women's fashion boutique in Australia after pivoting from the construction industry. Agency Life: In 2013, he co-founded his own agency, Studio Culture, in Australia. He and his business partner, a design/dev expert , grew the agency over a six-year period to 12 staff members and $3 million in revenue. The SAS Leap: After exiting his agency, Joe moved into the technology side of e-commerce. He had a "baptism by fire" at the one-click checkout company Fast , heading up the APAC region before the company imploded. Finding Growave: After a stop in the reviews and loyalty space , Joe joined Growave 18 months ago. He started by building the partnership program from scratch and has since stepped into the role of President, responsible for growth in the US. A Global Perspective: How E-Com Culture Varies Having worked extensively in both Australia and the US, Joe notes the cultural nuances of each market. In his opinion, the Australian and APAC e-commerce scenes are even more "referral and relationship-based" than in the US. Because the population is smaller, "everyone knows everyone," making word-of-mouth and personal trust paramount. While relationships are still critical in the US, he finds the market is so large that different regions can feel like their own distinct cultures. The Biggest Misconception About E-Commerce For those eyeing a career in the industry, Joe offers a dose of reality. The biggest misconception is that it's "all flashy and glamorous" —networking at events and getting free products. The truth? "You have to love the grind, because it is a grind," Joe says. "It is a marathon. And you're sprinting during the marathon". The real upside isn't the glamour; it's the community. "Your network is your net worth," he emphasizes. After being in the industry for a while, you develop incredible relationships and "a genuine group of friends that would go out of their way to help you". That, he says, is something no other industry has. Key Trends: Consolidation, Unification, and AI When asked about the top trends he's tracking, Joe highlights three major movements: AI: While he didn't want to be "the guy who jumps on a podcast and talks about AI", he acknowledges it's a massive component of the future. He sees it as a "speed boost" or a "level up" that enhances the fundamentals, which are still table stakes. Tech Stack Consolidation: Brands are realizing the power of centralizing their customer data platform (CDP). This is driving a move toward unification, where all the tools in the tech stack are "talking to each other and operating in unification". Unified Commerce: This is the other side of unification—the one Shopify is heavily focused on. It’s about connecting bricks-and-mortar retail with the online store in a seamless fashion, often referred to as omnichannel. The 30-Second Pitch: Why LTV is Everything With customer acquisition costs (CACs) going "through the roof," retention is no longer optional. When asked for his 30-second Growave pitch, Joe's answer is simple and targeted. "I find out which way they lean," he says. If they are metric-focused: "I'm talking about how important it is more than ever to focus on lifetime customer value (LTV), because CAC is going through the roof". If they are concept-focused: "I'm talking about the unification piece and being able to have all of that data living in the CDP, which is powering all of their activities". Ultimately, he sees too many brands making one of two mistakes: either relying only on big-budget top-of-funnel ads or, inversely, focusing only on retention without feeding the top of the funnel. The brands that are winning, he says, are the ones working with experts to build a harmonious, holistic system from the start. To connect with Joe Fox, you can find him on LinkedIn. You can also check out Growave's podcast, "Retain, Grow, Thrive," on YouTube. Listen on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or watch on Youtube.

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